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. there had been a ban in place that michigan during the clinton administration. but it was allowed to expire and it's not been renewed. anyone that can buy a pistol can buy one of these weapons. that bush master .223, that's the same caliber our military carried in vietnam and since it's used in the m-16 and m-4 automatic rifles. in this case, you would have to keep pulling the trigger, but you can fire as many bullets as quickly as you can pull the trigger with that gun and the two handguns. >> and for the benefit of our viewers, who are not familiar with guns. the term semiautomatic means you keep pulling the trigger, you don't hold it down once, but you don't have to do something to shoot again. >> that's correct. and in the case of a semiautomatic pistol, the bullets are fed in through a magazine and they can range in size from seven or eight rounds to 15 rounds. the two guns you've been showing pictures of would appear to be the 15-round standard sized magazines for those guns. but you can buy extended magazines as was seen in other shootings in the past that can go 30 rounds or even mo
people and shouldn't be prohibited from carrying in schools or other places. in fact, the michigan legislature passed a bill last night and sent to the governor for signature a bill that would allow those of us who are licensed to take more day of training including range time and be able to carry in the places where we couldn't carry before. >> why on earth would you want more guns in schools after what happened today? >> here's why, piers. if we could suddenly make all guns disappear, i would have a different position. i spend a lot of time thinking about this and reading about this. i teach a class called gun control seminar and i get a new group of law students every term and we discuss this in detail. the simple facts are guns exist. they are essentially 1800s technology. even sell u automatics came into being in the late 1800s. they are easy to make and last several human lifetimes with minimal maintenance. since guns exist and we know for a fact that the only way to stop an evil person like the person you were discussing earlier in the show is to shoot them. >> hang on. this
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